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cendawanita

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My main is https://mefi.social/@cendawanita. this account is all about sharing and boosting stuff from Malaysia and SEA. I started https://kbin.social/m/magASEAN to share all that stuff. Come join. Have a personal one too: https://kbin.social/m/myMOAC - mainly to announce my website updates and also any quick and dirty linking

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2023 ASEAN Civil Society Conference / ASEAN People’s Forum (ACSC/APF) (acscapf.org)

JAKARTA WELCOMES YOU - We, Indonesia’s Civil Society Organizations, are honored and excited to welcome you to be part of this year’s ASEAN Civil Society Conference / ASEAN People’s Forum (ACSC/APF), which is going to be held on 1-3 September at Atma Jaya University, Jakarta. The theme of ACSC/APF 2023 is “Reclaiming safe...

OpenAI says it could ‘cease operating’ in the EU if it can’t comply with future regulation (www.theverge.com) Japanese

In addition to the possible business threat, forcing OpenAI to identify its use of copyrighted data would expose the company to potential lawsuits. Generative AI systems like ChatGPT and DALL-E are trained using large amounts of data scraped from the web, much of it copyright protected. When companies disclose these data sources...

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@chemical_cutthroat

If I do a book report based on a book that I picked up from the library, am I violating copyright? If I write a movie review for a newspaper that tells the plot of the film, am I violating copyright?

The first conceptual mistake in this analogy is assuming the LLM entity is "writing". A person or a sentient being writing is still showing signs of intellectual work, which is how the example book report and movie review will not be accused of plagiarism, which is very very basically stealing someone's output but one that is not made legally ownership of (which then brings it to copyright infringement territory).

LLMs are producing text based on statistical probability meaning it is quite literally aping/replicating the aesthetic form of a known genre of textual output, which in these cases are given the legal status of intellectual property. So yes, an LLM-generated textual output that is in the form of a book report or movie review looks the way it does by copying with no creative intent previous works of the genre. It's the same way YouTube video essays get taken down if it's just a collection of movie clips that might sound like a full dialogue. Of course in that example yt clip, if you can argue it's a creative output where an artist is forming a new piece out of a collage of previous media, the rights owner to those movie clips might lose their claim to the said video. You can't make that defence with OpenAI.

@stopthatgirl7

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@chemical_cutthroat
Again, all of your analogical effort presumes that an LLM is synthesizing. When I say, specifically, they generate outputs based on statistical probability it's not at all the same as a sentient process of reiterative learning based on their available knowledge.

If you can't get that distinction, then all the effort to respond to you will expect too much from me (personally; I wish the best to others who'd like). If you're really sincere though, honestly it's been best elaborated by Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender in their writings about the "stochastic parrot". Please do have a read. https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922
@stopthatgirl7

cendawanita,
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@revampeduser assuming you've subscribed so that the community is now regularly fetched from/pushed to kbin.social, then it's likely a momentary hiccup with the federation which can be instance-specific

Kedah has Southeast Asia's oldest civilisation and archaeologists barely know its complete history (www.channelnewsasia.com)

(...) this is much older than the famous monuments of Borobudur (8th century) in Indonesia and Angkor Wat (12th century) in Cambodia, making Sungai Batu and the larger Bujang Valley complex it is part of the oldest civilisation in Southeast Asia....

cendawanita, (edited )
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@CarlsIII try click on More at the original post and select Copy to Fediverse. That'll get you the originating url. This works for every type of post and comment.

@Friend

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@CarlsIII aye no worries - fair ask

@Friend

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@macallik and if you scroll down the comments, Byron from Universeodon, who did take the earlier meeting, did provide some vague points from the meeting. Relating to your point about big instances, it seems likely that FB wants to throw money at them so that they won't become overwhelmed by the ensuing traffic (unlike the rest of us, I guess...) so they can demonstrate that the Instagram bridge (it's an IG product) works.

@giallo @madjo @nameless_prole @stevecrox

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@macallik
Absolutely. If this is true then for the other small to mid-size instances it's not just an existential threat philosophically but technically. They're expecting Threads onboarding might just knock out instances because of the traffic. Might as well limit or block just for your own performance metrics.

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@be_excellent_to_each_other in principle as that's the point of federation, it's value-neutral to participate in such comms.

But say you're concerned about downtimes or culture or you're anticipating that instance will not be reachable or even it increases traffic load, then maybe you'll find it sensible to support a local community or magazine

crossmr, to kbinMeta

Why can a banned user from another instance continue to post to my magazine? He's clearly in the ban log but can still post.

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@crossmr can you confirm that he's posting direct to microblog or is the microblog slurping his content because it matches a tracked tag? If the first it's a bug, if the second it's a built-in flaw.

@NOOBMASTER

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@crossmr I've never had to try this to a blocked account but... For your microblog, do you have posts that're posted directly there. Like you know it's posted there. You can even do a test one (Add new post - that type will always go to blog).

Then, click on More of the test post and select copy to Fediverse. That URL takes you to the original version of the post. If the test post confirms the magazine as it's original URL, now do the More+copy to Fediverse to that post and see what's the URL. If it exists back on his home account, then yes, might as well ping Ernest or add an issue ticket. That's a critical flaw for mods.

@NOOBMASTER

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@crossmr the way it's set up (partly because the instance is meant to be proof of concept) is that every mag's name becomes a hashtag that will be slurped. Try looking at your magazine panel... Hold on... Once you're there then the tags tab should be to the right.

:( But I think this is definitely a flaw/worthy to raise a ticket because double-checking with mine, my magazine's name is not one of the tags i can delete.

@NOOBMASTER @cutitdown

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I'm very sorry, atm it does sound the only thing left you can do is deleting his posts as it shows up on the blog

@NOOBMASTER @cutitdown @crossmr

How do kbin instances (and all aggregator protocols) work to maintain privacy and safety? What can we put up on the roadmap (when there is one)? (Instance members at least; ppl posting on fedi in general) (kbin.social)

This is going to be kbin focused because that's the infra I'm most familiar with, but if any part of this is relevant to Lemmy and other upcoming aggregators it's worth a think too:...

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And just to provide an example, copying straight from my comment here https://mefi.social/@cendawanita/110585975153683699:

Yup that's happening rn. It really got driven home for me when my kbin account gave me a comment alert... For this account. It went to the correct person because the usernick is the same. Also the comment is to a post that is uh untagged 🙃 https://kbin.social/m/random/p/498351/I-m-thinking-once-there-s-a-protocol-i-really-like-just

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@NotTheOnlyGamer it's still worth worrying. Like, in the examples i gave in the comments, i can't login to kbin.social with my other account, and i can't delete my posts. (ETA: but the larger problem is the flood of traffic and kbin hasn't had time to sort out proper instance blocks yet. Spam is already an issue)

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@NotTheOnlyGamer ah ok, you haven't seen either the posts here, or on the fediverse magazine, or just the fact the fedidb (who tracks usage stats) had to pause on their count for threadiverse accounts because spam accounts inflated the count, or lemmy.blahaj.zone having to take a minute to delete all the spam accounts...

But fundamentally you're still not wrapping your head around what federation means. Just before Reddit Migration, the biggest and flagship instance mastodon.social, were put on silence or defed a few times this year because their open signups caused spam being sent across the fediverse.

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@Kierunkowy74 yup that's a good move. But overwhelming traffic from legit users is still however an issue.

One rl illustration: https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/

@NotTheOnlyGamer

cendawanita,
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@NotTheOnlyGamer that is definitely a good practice as an individual user. At instance-level, do you share my concerns tho?

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@NotTheOnlyGamer ah okay, i see where you're coming from. I'm still quite strident about it only because AP being open source, the current Fedi discourse is as much political as well as technical - and you're right, the era of corporate internet is not winding down just yet. But it's also not a given i can't advocate for better controls especially because fediverse means i have more control than a user of corporate socmed over which server to go and what software to use. It's slightly easier to feel that there is something that i can do because i think there is. We wouldn't be here otherwise (instead we'll tolerate what Twitter has become, what reddit continues to become). I come from the livejournal era, and that code was forked many which ways and the various journal clones became where the migration headed to when sixapart bought it (then later Russia via corporate proxy). But it was slightly too early in tech and user quality - but I feel like I'm reliving the days I'm on dreamwidth, still in touch with ppl who moved to insanejournal etc.

Because it's possible, I'm still motivated enough to talk about it. And you know, thank you. Despite posting it in the meta community for this instance, barely anyone engaged in these concerns, not even those otherwise active. Ernest I'm sure is busy, but now I'm concerned not even those who'd sum up what's going on here would talk about this. So I really appreciate the exchange.

/kbin server update - or how the server didn't blow up (kbin.social)

Currently, on the main instance, people have created 40191 accounts (+214 marked as deleted). I don't know how many are active because I don't monitor it, but once again, I greet all of you here :) In recent days, the traffic on the website has been overwhelming. It's definitely too much for the basic docker-compose setup,...

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@LollerCorleone it's not online yet, but Chris Trottier is developing spacehost with that purpose iirc.

@haubles @vvuksan @renchap @piotrsikora @ernest @Nougat @bourbonmakesitbetter

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@LegendofDragoon do you mean to ask how to follow a whole instance or specific accounts in that instance? For the second, you just search the same way (@ user @ instance) or click their names from the posts that end up on your microblog and add from their profile. For the whole instance, the kbin functionality doesn't have it yet (and the typical fediverse clients i know are optimized for pure microblogging protocols for now, or else I'd recommend client-side solutions)

Can someone explain how this moderation action works? A lemmy.ml user removed a post from a partizle.com user from a kbin.social magazine. (kbin.social)

relevant magazine is /m/RedditMigration here on kbin.social. You can see it's the one and only report in the modlog yet the user who removed the comment is not listed in the moderators list, is not even a kbin.social user, and did not remove a lemmy.ml comment. Yet, it was removed for me as a kbin.social user....

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@Otome@kbin.social what's probably happening is that the mod action, like edits to a post do get federated along as well. The only time you won't see the changes propagate is if a federated mag is on an instance that gets defed, then no future changes will occur. Not sure if you've had a fedi account before this but if you do, it's like when you boost a post and the post owner edited it and you get a notification that your boosted post has been edited and you see the new text. So the kbin copy (this is where the threadiverse differ, in having local copies. One reason why 'copy url' has two versions, the instance copy and the original copy) may have the instance owner as the delegated owner of the mag but the original mod actions can still travel. So the mod is still the mod of the magazine in all federated copies of their community/mag.

ETA: I'm letting my comment stand but just noting, i didn't answer your question at all, i think. OTL

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@Otome@kbin.social yeah, that's what needs to be tested:

  1. Is the originating instance the true copy? Or is every copy of equal status? Kbin's handling of having local copies is probably the issue here because other fedi protocols don't choose to do it this way (and it's probably because this reduces the load from all the fetching; big fedi accounts have been known to induce DDOS-like results when a post gets popular)
  2. If that can be confirmed/clarified, is the mod log a universal log only but specific instance changes not propagating? I think Q1 is going to be the pickle here - because it implies a lot in terms of coordinating copies across the kbin infra at least (not sure with Lemmy I've not poked around at all). Copy conflict is going to be inevitable at this point....
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@Otome@kbin.social oh yeah, definitely some kind of copy primacy/conflict issue for sure. I have no idea how to describe it well enough for the codeberg ticket tho - definitely worth raising.

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@readbeanicecream I've started @magASEAN (direct link: https://kbin.social/m/magASEAN/) for Southeast Asian stuff across the fediverse (especially) - there's still stuff the tag-scanning doesn't pick up well. But it's also shaping up to a more general interest magazine with a regional bent.

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@testing and I'm really happy that you did! Just in time for all of this to happen too, lol

@readbeanicecream @magASEAN

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@AngrilyEatingMuffins lmao i was about to ask you to spell it out to me, because that's not my culture so it's not at the forefront of my mind, but i think I see it?? Lolllll rip to all Seans but we're southeast asians 😂

@readbeanicecream @magASEAN

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@Tigrezno on your last point, you've hit on something fundamental about federated platforms which may be a deal breaker for you: that's a feature not a bug (the same named community existing across multiple instances). The federation is then you can access them all from where you are.

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@Tigrezno yes you've misunderstood - what i mean to say is that what you're noticing is absolutely a feature of multiple instances/servers being able to speak to each other. You can access their posts, and they can come in their own communities of the same interest. If you mean to say local content as in (for example) gaming @ kbin dot social and you're on that instance but you'd like also read gaming @ lemmy dot ml, then yes. In that case, gaming @ kbin is the local content, and the Lemmy one can be accessed on federated basis. But you can post comments to both. The key thing to understand is in a decentralized system, there's no 'global' version or hub. You're basically visiting branches or chapters of say, the same set of hobbyists.

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@Tigrezno one way what you might be looking for exists is on the microblogging side of the fediverse: over there discoverability is strictly on hashtags only and most protocols (or clients) enables you to track hashtags only and it shows up on your timeline. That's closest to what you're looking for, though dependent on ppl using hashtags.

Spam and porn are flooding kbin already (kbin.social)

There is a substantial amount of spam and NSFW posts on the All page coming through already. Most NSFW posts aren't being tagged as such and are coming right through. I am not sure how this can be weathered but we need something in place fairly soon, I feel like we are days away from rivers of bad stuff, especially via some of...

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How do I do that? Under the federation tab and add the instance?

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@aetris thank you! Good enough for me, and it works!

@frasassi

/kbin contribution and information for instance owners (kbin.social)

The search form has been fixed (if you were experiencing this issue). This time, the Docker recreate may take a bit longer. Moving forward, when making changes, I will create pull requests like everyone else and ask for your review. Sorry for the inconvenience. Soon, the first tagged release will also be available. It's time to...

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Thank you so much Ernest! I've bought you some coffee as well!

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