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EnderMB , in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane

Spend 10 mins on Blind, and you'll see that once anonymous, people tend to be far more right-wing than you'd like to think.

Cethin ,

I think it's much more likely that right wing people are much more willing to voice their opinions when anonymous, that than anonymity makes people right wing. I think generally people on the left are more than happy to have people aware of their morality, but people on the right want to keep it quite that they're assholes.

eee , in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane

first of all, you lost me when you pointed to reddit.

second, they protested not just within the office, but in the personal office of one of the higher-ups. If you blockaded your CTO's office as a means of protesting world hunger, I don't think that would go well for you either.

morrowind OP ,
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If my company was helping perpetuate world hunger and I blockaded their office, I hope to God you wouldn't be gleeful at me getting fired

huginn ,

Not gleeful - just fully understanding why.

I admire their principled stand. They had to know it would cost them their jobs but chose to do it anyway.

Their firing isn't a surprise and is fully reasonable by the company. I hope they get great jobs elsewhere, where their morals will be appreciated... But there are very few workplaces that give a damn about morals.

mihor ,

At least we all agree that google is a piece of shit company.

Umbrias ,

Lets be clear, there's a difference between "reasonable" and "expected behavior" and it's an important one.

huginn ,

It's both reasonable and expected.

We can discuss if a corporation deserves to exist but granted that it does: it is implicitly reasonable that it deserves to maintain its premises and staffing in a way that is conducive to business.

Now if you want to talk about corporate structures and the dissolution of capitalist enterprise that's a different story.

But in today's world and with today's rules it is entirely reasonable.

Umbrias ,

I'd argue corporations should strive to represent their employees. Corporations don't deserve to maintain anything, they aren't people and have no ethical status either.

Nonetheless you're working double time to make sure the use of 'reasonable' with all its connotations is seen as acceptable here. Making sure everyone knows that you think this is normative.

We will not reach a common ground.

huginn ,

I'd argue corporations should strive to represent their employees.

That's not a corporation that's a co-op. I think cooperatives are great. Corporations less so.

Corporations don't deserve to maintain anything, they aren't people and have no ethical status either.

Ethical status isn't what I'm talking about here: I'm talking about legal protections for entities. A corporation is an entity and has legal protections.

Again we can discuss if capitalism should be the system we use but as long as it is then corporations will, by definition, have legal status and protections.

Nonetheless you're working double time to make sure the use of 'reasonable' with all its connotations is seen as acceptable here. Making sure everyone knows that you think this is normative.

It's absolutely mundane and normal. It's unnatural but not strange.

I'd rather the system didn't work like this: but it is entirely expected given the laws that govern the nation in which this occurred.

And that's by definition normative.

We will not reach a common ground.

You went from talking about concepts to directly attacking me. I wouldn't expect you'd ever come to a truce with someone you see as an enemy. I'm sorry you feel that way.

eee ,

I hope to God you wouldn’t be gleeful at me getting fired

I wouldn't be "gleeful", but I can definitely see why the company was within their rights to fire you.

This is like those nutbags who shut down a highway to protest the environment or something, then accuse the police of being un-environmental when they're invariably arrested.

haui_lemmy ,
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Shutting down the highway when the planet is literally burning up seems like a very obvious sign of outrage and great restraint as to not get violent despite that outrage, dont you think?

Arresting protestors during a largely ignored crisis which they protest seems kind of inhumane, no?

Crackhappy ,
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I still have zero regrets after walking away from my very very old reddit account. I torched everything I ever said, ground it into ash, stomped on it again, and then deleted my account. I still have my /. account though.

ReversalHatchery ,

This is not at all like world hunger.

EnderMB ,

Those offices are usually locked down anyway, on floors where the unwashed masses aren't granted access. Hell, if you want to even be on a call with someone like the CTO you'll have to reach out to three different entities, book a specific room, and reach out to that person's team of assistants to ensure everything is aligned.

If they got access to the CTO office they definitely broke in, or evaded security in some way. That alone at any company will get you fired, and probably arrested.

Source: Once attended a meeting with a SVP at a big tech company. I genuinely think it would be easier to meet the president.

trilobite , in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane

Isn't that called "capitalism gone bad"? The principles of capitalism and that story about competitiveness is good but in a global economy where monopolies distort the market, by reflection you'll have bending of rules which thrives thanks to a political class that is driven not by ideals, but rather personal interests and ego. Those that have the poet will abuse it. I'm not surprised at all. What is worse is that peoples brains are becoming numb thanks to social media. We are not able to think for ourselves anymore.

anachronist , in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane

Hacker news is full of people LARPing as corporate crisis management officers, or counsels for the defense. Every post you get about "company caught grinding up babies to fuel forever-chemical cancer machine" will get a ton of posts by people arguing that actually it's a net positive for the world and how could anyone be against such amazing innovation?

intrepid ,

They're neither crisis managers, nor counsels. The correct term is astroturfers. They all have some vested interests in doing so.

umami_wasbi , in China now produces more chips domestically than it imports.

The title is misleading.

First, it is about old gen chips. Maybe 45nm+.

Second, the definition of IC/chip is quite broad. It can be very (relatively) simple one like a 555 timer IC to extra complicated MCU IC.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

How is that misleading, most chips in use are older chips. Bleeding edge chips are a tiny percent of overall global chip usage.

umami_wasbi ,

When normal people look at the title with "chips", they are most likely think of "computer chips". However, that's what not the article is about.

The use of the term is correct, and indeed chips are used in more places that most people doesn't think of. Still, it is misleading as it doesn't consider what most people think what "chip" is, bleeding edge or not.

yogthos OP ,
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wildbus8979 , (edited )

When normal people look at the title with "chips", they are most likely think of "computer chips".

Congrats on winning the dumbest take I've read all day. Do only Intel i9-1490 count? Do you think that's what in production cars or something? FFS, the Z80 just now got retired and is still to this day used in common electronics. Also the title of the article says "semi-conductors".

umami_wasbi ,

Maybe I'm not clear enough. It's not about what counts and what doesn't. It is about the initial interpretation. As I said, the use of term is correct. It is just when one read "chip", what kind of product/product category they will first think of.

For someone not fmailiar, they will say "complicated computer thing" where computer is maybe something they interact with daily like a PC or tablet or smartphone.

For someone following business news, they might think of NVIDIA or mobile processors due to news about export restrictions. Or rewind to the chip shotrage in 2020~2021, they might think of cars.

The interpretation of a term is shaped by information people gathered and absorb daily. This is something subjective.

Also the title of the article says "semi-conductors".

Apologies to the overlook but the same concept still applies. It may not be misleading here where people are more or less tech savvy, how about the audience of SCMP? Or people reach this post by search engine? We shouldn't imply everyone can interpret a term the same.

wildbus8979 , (edited )

You don't interact daily with your car? Your tv? Your microwave? Your toothbrush? Your thermostat? AC? Literally fucking everything except one item in your house. And even most phones worldwide are not latest gen flagship phones. Most people don't even know what a GPU fucking is.

You're grasping at straws to make this fit your worldview buddy.

how about the audience of SCMP?

Like people who live in, I don't know Shenzhen? Yeah I'm sure they can't tell the difference. We all know Chinese are uneducated morons, am I right?

Holy crap, do you hear yourself talk?

umami_wasbi , (edited )

You don't interact daily with your car? Your tv? Your microwave? Your toothbrush? Your thermostat? AC? Literally fucking everything except one item in your hiuse.

I do in some degree, but how often one will realized "oh, there is a chip right in there"? At least I get used to them so much that unless I really put my mind to it, I won't have that realization. To me that's second thought, not first. This applies to what I read and how I interpret. So does to others.

Like people who love in, I don't know Shenzhen? Yeah I'm sure they can't tell the difference. We all know Chinese and uneducated morons, am I right?

I can't quite grasp what you're talking.


All in all, I'm expressing that I determined that title is misleading. The process is simple: read the title, interpret what it ment, then the article, summarize it and compare it to the title and see how far apart the understanding is. If that's far, that's misleading. Done.

You can disagree and think otherwise. I prefer to use terms and expressions that anyone can get the point in their first thought. Clear?

p03locke ,
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The power of those chips matters a great deal. If China is producing mostly chips supporting IoT devices, and its imports are computer chips of the Intel/AMD variety, it doesn't have nearly as much impact as the title implies.

pop ,

How is it missleading,when it doesnt claim they are latest gen chips? It's still a chip no matter how you spin it.

pete_the_cat , in Microsoft is trying to convince Windows 10 users to upgrade with full-screen prompts

Can Microsoft be any more annoying?

I had to laugh when I searched for "Vivaldi" in Edge on a new installation and Bing said "There's no reason to switch to a new browser!"

Anticorp ,

There are tons of reasons. Their insistence that there are no reasons is a good example of a reason.

FigMcLargeHuge ,

How about when you have to update your machine and it goes through the "setup" which is just disguised ads for services like microsoft 365? That's pretty annoying.

Moobythegoldensock , in Microsoft is trying to convince Windows 10 users to upgrade with full-screen prompts

“We tried asking. We tried begging. We tried bullying. We even tried tricking people into upgrading. We tried everything short of actually making a usable OS!”

jkrtn ,

I understand how it is possible for an OS to interrupt one's use of one's own computer to beg for money or to install spyware. I don't understand how such an OS would still have users.

floofloof ,

If I didn't have to use it for work, and if Ableton Live made a Linux version, I'd never use Windows again. Every single activity is interrupted by messages that are effectively adverts for things you're not interested in. The Start menu still doesn't work after 29 years of development. Searching for a file is ridiculously slow and doesn't find the file. Everything else is also slow, all the time. I have given up trying to arrange my desktop icons because they always go back to the same position they've been stuck in for months. All the applications hang, and the whole system has frequent unresponsive moments where God knows what it's doing but it's nothing I asked for. I dual boot into Linux and it feels like an oasis of peace.

jkrtn ,

Oh yeah, sorry, didn't mean to rag on people that have to work with it. I think we're all frustrated that it's still so pervasive even though it gets worse every year.

Valmond ,

Check out "everything" for windows, it finds files, all files, instantly. And it's free.

If I worked at Microsoft, on windows, I'd be so ashamed I wouldn't tell.

floofloof ,

I use Everything. It is a thousand times more useful than Windows's file search, even though it only indexes filenames, not file contents.

dan1101 ,
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Surely more AI will fix it!

tooLikeTheNope , in Microsoft is trying to convince Windows 10 users to upgrade with full-screen prompts

Got to say they convinced me at last and I finally upgraded.
...to linux

Never.Going.Back.

SynopsisTantilize ,

Yep. The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups. I'm out. Debating which Debian distro to go to now.

Custodian1623 ,

Debian 12 itself isn't bad

tooLikeTheNope ,

I tried a few, Fedora, LMDE(Linux Mint Debian Edition), and EndeavourOS.

I'd say LMDE if you want a rock solid system, being fundamentally Debian Stable with Mint treatment for user friendliness, or Endeavour if you want bleeding edge updates (and of course bragging rights to join the meme by saying "BTW I use arch")

JasonDJ ,

I gotta say, I've distro hopped a lot over the years...finally caved to try EndeavorOS and it's my new favorite, if only for the AUR.

RandomException ,

Same! I started with Ubuntu back in the days and was shocked how weirdly bad it is nowadays when I was forced to use it at my current project with the client's laptop. I mean the happy path is still all fun and easy but after having Ubuntu installed, it's almost like a Windows experience trying to get stuff installed vs. having AUR available :D

HughJanus ,

The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups.

This is what drove me away. There are like 7 people that figured out how to make these pop-ups disappear and Microsoft invested money to "patch" that "error" to ensure they were forced to continue seeing these ads.

Revan343 ,

I like Mint

iliketurtles ,

I like mint. Everyone says it beginner friendly, like in a bad way, but stuff just working sounds good to me.

RandomException ,

I have to give huge thank you to Valve for making gaming on Linux actually a valid option. I've been mainly a Linux user since 2006 but always had to have a dual-boot setup for gaming. Seeing the progress on Proton, I decided a year or two ago that Windows 10 was going to be the last one I'll have on my PC and since my SSD died a couple of months ago, I didn't even bother to preserve the Win10 installation anymore.

Funnily enough on my front page, the next link below this post was "Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu". I think that pretty much sums it up why I don't want to even try to mess with the thing anymore. It's been a good run and Windows has improved A LOT since XP days but oh dear god all the data harvesting nowadays...

stanleytweedle , in Microsoft is trying to convince Windows 10 users to upgrade with full-screen prompts

I'm not a marketing person but maybe they should try making an OS people actually want.

ilinamorato ,

They do this every 4-5 years. Nobody is ever bothered enough to cause a problem for Microsoft's bottom line.

captain_aggravated ,
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I don't remember anyone being excited for a version of Windows since 7. 8 and 8.1 were universally hated, a lot of people clung to 7 until they absolutely had to upgrade to 10, and now they're clinging to 10 as long as they can. I seriously doubt there's an upcoming release of Windows people will genuinely like and want, because there's no money in doing that.

ilinamorato ,

Yeah, but even before that...people were only excited about 7 because of how much of a dumpster fire Vista was. And prior to XP (which Vista replaced), most people didn't care about OS versions at all.

neo ,
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8.1 was fine imo, but not really worth an upgrade from 7 unless it was free.

jaykay ,
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We need to wait for the next version, 12 or wherever. Every other Windows version is “good”

ilinamorato ,

Yeah, it definitely has the Star Trek movie curse.

Each only in comparison to its predecessor, though. I still think Windows 7 was the last version to get out of its users' way and just let them use their computer; everything since then has been worse than 7 in some subtle way.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

They do. It's called Windows 10 LTSC.

HughJanus ,

Why would they do that when people use this one all the same?

SnotFlickerman , in Microsoft is trying to convince Windows 10 users to upgrade with full-screen prompts
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I have never received one of these screens with this One Neat Trick:

I disabled the TPM in UEFI settings.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/0f34b125-baf9-4ec6-aa62-e08d3c2ab01a.png

Beautiful.

paraphrand ,

Aww your poor wittle pc is unhealthy! It just needs some rest and some fluids.

rdri ,

It's cool while it works. But these options are not going to be provided forever in newer hardware. Recent example I saw is the absense of AHCI option in new laptops (you now need additional drivers just to reinstall Windows manually). We need to keep developing software solutions to software problems.

VeganCheesecake ,

Aren't you using the TPM for full disk encryption, though? Or are you entering your BitLocker Password at every boot?

EngineerGaming ,
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I use full-disk encryption on my Debian, and I honestly don't see what's wrong with entering your passphrase on boot.

melpomenesclevage ,

In the 90s this was hacker shit. You'd do this shit to, like, break into the pentagon or something.

Fucking cringe cyberpunk; everybody's a hacker, because theres no other way to see your fucking calendar.

frogmint ,

Aren't these screens from the article specifically for unsupported devices, like those without TPM?

Mane25 ,

Is it not disgraceful that you have to use a trick so some third party company doesn't install software you don't want on your hardware? I think that's appalling!

velox_vulnus , in STATEMENT from Google workers with the No Tech for Apartheid campaign on Google’s mass, retaliatory…
@velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml avatar

Google will be getting sued soon, I'm assuming? They can't just fire people, can they?

lemmyreader OP ,

Seriously ? Google just continues firing employees. And remember Elon Musk taking over Twitter and firing a considerable amount of employees ? They likely will get away with all of that, for free or paying a small fine or settle a case.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240418041349/https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/08/google-fires-employee-who-protested-israel-tech-event-shuts-forum.html

And let's insert a quote I just read on Mastodon :

I quote a great jewish thinker on far-right politics:

”When you look in the fascist mirror, you do not see a monster there.
You see beauty, and it tells you are special, exceptional, part of the most important people on earth.
It is the others who are the problem”

ulkesh ,
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Yet it’s worse than fascism. It’s oligarchy + fascism. People have money tied to it which leads them to double down on all of it.

These workers were fired simply because it could hurt the stock price. And since the US has subpar labor laws, and half the voting populace who seem quite happy with fascism, the country is quite screwed.

cbarrick ,

It's the USA.

Yes, they can just fire people.

Drewfro66 ,
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Political affiliation is not a protected class, nor should it be.

a1studmuffin ,
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The US has absolutely atrocious employment laws, so yes they can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

cbarrick ,

In the case of Google, the trade off is compensation.

You can work for for Google in NYC and make $300k+ per year, or work for Google in London and make half as much at best.

disguy_ovahea , (edited ) in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane

I completely support their right to protest, having attended many myself, as does the constitution. However, they were on the clock and on private property. They should have organized a protest outside, during off hours, if they wanted to protect their jobs. Circulating a petition wouldn’t have been a bad idea either.

Edit: OP shared this interview in a thread further down. It’s a first-hand account from a former employee. The employee stated that they were warned several times about pending arrest and violation of workplace behavior. I respect their commitment to their cause, but it was with full understanding that they were arrested and subsequently terminated.

Darkrai ,
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I disagree, I think protesting during working hours is kind of the point, same as a union protest during working hours. It affects the corps bottom line, the only thing they care about.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

I agree that it hurts the company more. Unfortunately, then they can legally terminate you for refusal to work. Even worse, you won’t even be eligible for unemployment after hearing.

It would be legally protected if they were protesting compensation or working conditions, or if they organized their concerns through a union representative.

anachronist ,

Unfortunately, then they can legally terminate you for refusal to work.

I don't think they're being fired for "refusal to work". There is a concept of "job abandonment" but one 9 hour period wouldn't count. Typically you need several days of no contact/no show before you have considered to have abandoned your job.

This is more about at-will employment: Google has a right to fire an employee at any time for almost any reason, or for no reason. There have been people getting fired for posting pro-Palestine content to linkedin, which is completely legal in the US.

This isn't a story of "employees overstepped a line and got fired" this is a story of "there is no line, companies can fire employees for almost anything and definitely for their political views regardless how respectfully they are expressed."

Also going on strike is basically the definition of "organized refusal to work"

disguy_ovahea ,

Your last sentence is correct. A strike against workplace conditions or compensation is protected. This was neither. Refusal to work while on the clock is grounds for termination as well as disqualification for unemployment benefits. There needs to be acknowledgment by the employee that they are refusing to work, and that the result of continued action would be grounds for termination. It does not need to continue for nine hours, and is a different termination reason than job abandonment.

I’m 100% behind protesting, but you need to know how to keep the law on your side.

anachronist ,

These are almost certainly saleried, exempt employees with no "timeclock".

They were fired for expressing a political opinion and doing so in a way Google did not like.

It is certainly legal for Google to fire them for this because it is legal for Google to fire them for almost any reason. But it's also pretty certian that there is no way in America to protest your employer in a way where the law would protect you from retaliation.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

By “on the clock” I mean during compensated scheduled working hours. It does not matter if you are an hourly or salaried employee. They were removed and charged with trespassing after multiple warnings from security, and warned in advance of the policy violation of the protest according to this employee interview.

You are protected by law if protesting working conditions or compensation during scheduled working hours. If you protesting anything else, it can be done during free time in a public space without employer retaliation.

I have been part of many protests, and am in complete support of them. The most important thing when organizing a protest is knowing your rights so you can keep the law on your side.

stewie3128 ,

Their company, their rules. A union protest is a work activity directly relating to their roles, relationships, and functions as employees, which a political protest is not.

Google can suffer the public consequences on their own, which may or may not affect their bottom line.

morrowind OP ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, if you read the interview with one of the workers, they tried many less disruptive approaches before turning to a sit in. I don't they risked their jobs without reason.

disguy_ovahea ,

I’ve read two articles, but neither of them had that interview. Got a link?

morrowind OP ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar
disguy_ovahea ,

Thanks. Interesting read. The employee stated that they were warned several times about pending arrest and violation of workplace behavior. I respect their commitment to their cause, but it was under full understanding that they were arrested and subsequently terminated.

helenslunch ,

they tried many less disruptive approaches before turning to a sit in

So they were intentionally disruptive to their employer and you're upset they were fired? You think people should be able to show up, clock in and then protest their employer on company time on company property and face no repercussions?

morrowind OP ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm upset about the people supporting google's right to make money over any ethics. I'm upset at the idea that employees should have no say in what the company they work for does. I'm upset at people who think this is a good thing.

The specific repercussions they faced is another matter. But no, I don't think they were fair. Quote

Yeah, this was retaliation, like completely indiscriminate—people who had just walked by just to say hello and maybe talk to us for a little bit. They were fired. People who aren't affiliated with No Tech For Apartheid at all, who just showed up and were interested in what was going on. And then security asked to see their badge and they were among the 28 fired.

They had to reach out after the fact to tell us, hey, I was impacted by this.

helenslunch ,

I'm upset about the people supporting google's right to make money over any ethics.

Well, don't be, because it's not happening.

I'm upset at the idea that employees should have no say in what the company they work for does.

Also not happening.

I'm upset at people who think this is a good thing.

Once again, not happening.

Triasha ,

Blanket? Not at all. In this specific case I wish Google faced the repercussions rlinstead of the employees.

GolfNovemberUniform , in Huawei’s new Kirin 9010 chip tested in real-life gaming, performs much better than expected with no overheating

Qualcomm rushes with performance too much and that causes overheating. Other manufacturers are a bit behind but at least the performance is stable

Diabolo96 ,

Not even a competitor, but a company that almost died a few years ago because it was locked from buying chips for its products.

GolfNovemberUniform , (edited )

Afaik (and I think my info is more trustworthy because I don't live in the China's enemy country) Huawei never died or nearly died. It always had its internal market which didn't get affected by the sanctions at all

Diabolo96 , (edited )

Yeah, I saw a documentary about Huawei being the biggest pig meat supplier in china among other things. I meant technologically speaking. Huawei was really big here so I followed what was happening to them after the US cut of their supply of ARM chips. Chinese chips weren't really the best at that time so even with the big internal market, they had to hibernate their technology sector until they started making good enough chips, and it paid off. Their tech is on par with the Snapdragon 8 gen 1 already. US sanctioning China, forcing it become a real competitors in the chip making industry ended being a Good thing for freedom of the market.

GolfNovemberUniform ,

Makes sense. Sanctioning powerful economies never ends well for the one that sanctioned. Though the US fully deserved it so nicely done, Huawei

gianni ,

Huawei's doing great. Plus, there's a big push in China to consider RISC-V & Linux to reduce dependence on US-based tech like Windows, so seems like all good things

istanbullu ,

Huawei didn't even come close to dying.

uriel238 , in The corporate boot licking of Google after firing the palestine protestors in insane
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I assumed that once we accept we're being extorted (work for us or fail to survive) it's a short step to acknowledge we don't get a say in what the company does.

Instead we acknowledge we're occupied like Vichy Paris and spit in the boss' coffee.

All the big companies were pro-torture and pro-containment and pro-overthrowing South American democracies and pro-great depression poverty (at least, pro-Hoover doing nothing about it and blaming it on public laziness). Go far enough back, and they're pro-monarchy. The Heritage society is actively working for just that.

Will the annihilation of the Palestinian people be enough to get the global public to scream enough! and act to overthrow the ownership class? Will they, then tremble before communist revolution? I doubt it. Even as civil rights are rolled back in the US and five-eyes nations, we carry on.

Even as industry pollutes the climate until it is uninhabitable, we carry on...

...Until the hour we don't. But I don't know when that will be, whether in days or decades.

Nommer , in Advanced detection tech boosts F-22 radar signature 60,000 times

Chinese

As with every other Chinese claim about stealth detection, this is going to be a wait and see.

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  • Nommer ,

    No it's about how much they lie about their military capabilities like the last 400 times. Especially when it comes to stealth. But continue to be a racist.

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  • Nommer ,

    Nobody but you inferred it being a racial issue. I said the Chinese lie about their military tech because historically they always have. You are a racist. Fuck off.

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  • Nommer ,

    baseless

    Implying they haven't lied about every anti Western stealth tech up until this point

    Says the clown. I left reddit because of people like you so I'd really appreciate it if you go back and stop shitting up this place. But I don't expect much or anything intelligent from a tankie.

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