phoenixz ,

For the 26482747th time,

Install Linux. Get rid of the microshit malware

nottheengineer ,

Classic microsoft move.

Linux has gotten great over the years and keeps improving while windows gets worse and worse every day. This has been going on for many years now.

I switched already and suggest you give it a shot as well. It’s honestly much easier than windows if you know the basics and understand how things are done there.

lemmyseizethemeans ,

This is the way

whostosay ,

Not every distro of Linux has gotten better, for the most part this comment is innacurate. That said, I have generally had the same experience here, but I use arch btw.

4am ,

Downvoting the arch meme? Are the Linux people grumpy today?

Rodeo ,

We’re always grumpy at Windows people.

whostosay ,

I just wanted to talk out of my ass here and drop a joke lol. I think it was the HC Linux people disagreeing that not all distro have gotten better. It was bs fluff for the meme lol

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

How is it for gaming?

Bo7a ,

Pretty damn good these days.

mesamunefire ,

I just got a new game off steam, no issues with installation. Thats my experience this entire year.

FabledAepitaph ,

I play mosty either indy games or just older games on an older gaming laptop (geforce 1070m based HP Omen) and Steam/Linux Mint work pretty great. Outer Wilds works even better in Linux now that I’ve begun using CoreCtrl to disable CPU power throttling. Otherwise, it runs about like it did on Windows. The MCC runs flawlessly. Recently purchased No Man’s Sky and it runs pretty well and is actually incredibly smooth–no idea how that one runs in Windows because I’ve been just using Linux full-time for maybe two months now.

There is some weirdness like having to process Vulcan Shades before games boot up which can be annoying, but it hasn’t discouraged me yet. You can also skip that and the only difference is there might be a bit of stuttering for the first bit of game play. After going back to Windows to compare performance, I think it does this stuttering thing anyways?

dustyData ,

Shader compiling is just a graphical technique. DX12 does it too. Just that, Vulkan is nice enough to tell you a bit about it, and Steam has preemptive compiling, which runs most of the compiling before running the game precisely to reduce stuttering during gameplay. If you recall when The Last of Us remake launched, a lot of people were reporting up to an hour of “Loading” time at the menu before the game was playable on first run, and some were even reporting compiling on every single run of the game just as long. That was a bug with DX12 Shader compiling and it was prominent in both consoles and Windows. It’s not a Vulkan thing, nor particular about Linux. That is just how graphically intensive games are made nowadays.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

What about AAA games like cyberpunk 2077 or Armored Core VI?

gecked ,
DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Very……interesting……I wonder how RTX drivers work

Thank you for this!

thisbenzingring ,

Just make sure to use the Nvidia proprietary driver and you should be fine. Don’t try to install it yourself, use the distribution offered version.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

What distro would you recommend? Is arch the best right now? (Steam Deck is arch based)

thisbenzingring ,

I do prefer Arch. I have it on multiple systems. I prefer it because once it’s settled and it’s working the way you want, it will stay that way for years. Even when you’re updating it regularly.

If you don’t choose arch, consider bookmarking the arch wiki because it’s the best Linux resource out there

PainInTheAES ,

I like Arch as well but there is a higher learning curve than with other distro and if you go for Arch go for EndeavorOS or another Arch derivative (except Manjaro).

However, if you’re looking for something to let you game. Nobara is a distro that comes with all the gaming comparability layers and drivers preinstalled. It’s based on Fedora so it’s relatively up to date but not rolling like Arch.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

I will check out Nobara! Thanks friend

FabledAepitaph ,

What would make Nobara better for gaming than Mint? All of my Steam games have worked fine. Do the things you’re talking about matter for games that are not in Steam/Proton? Just wondering!

PainInTheAES ,

I mean at the end of the day it’s all Linux so it’s not so different and just a minor convenience.

This is just for Fedora: comes with non-free audio/video codecs, non-free driver repos.

For other distro: It comes with nVidea drivers, WINE, OBS, Blender, Proton, Lutris, and Flatpak set up/preinstalled. (drivers detected on install I believe) there’s also package and kernel tweaks to boost gaming performance, supposedly.

In comparison to Mint: Fedora packages and kernel versions get updated a little faster than Ubuntu/Debian based distros.

So Nobara takes a lot of the “pain” out of system setup for people who are new to Linux and gamers/streamers.

I haven’t used it personally though I’m currently running EndeavorOS and using a SteamDeck for gaming.

FabledAepitaph ,

I am new to Linux and never used it regularly before a couple months ago, but I’d recommend just going with Linux Mint to start off. I don’t know much about Arch, but from all the jokes I see on Lemmy, I get the impression it may be a more advanced distro for people who know what they’re doing? I wanted to try PopOS! because people said it was good for gaming, but the install wasn’t as streamlined for a dual boot Windows/Linux setup.

Linux Mint just kind of works and installed super fast. And my Windows partition is still intact and functional (but I’m wondering if I even need it tbh). My only holdup is Microsoft Office. I still haven’t tried to get that working inside of Linux, but if it’s possible, then I will certainly delete my Windows install.

But anyways, don’t over think it. Just do Linux Mint and then after a while, you’ll be able to understand why or if you should consider another distro I would guess!

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

How is it for gaming though? Nobaru apparently has gamer based fixes and tweaks

FabledAepitaph ,

I don’t have numbers, but I’ve seen comments/reviews that suggest they’re all within a percent or two in terms of frame rate. Like, how much thought should someone put in to getting 101 fps instead of 100 fps, you know? After using Mint for a bit, I’m probably going to stick with this for a year or two before trying out other distros, if I even feel the need. I think there is also value in giving a couple of them a try as you learn more.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Can I easily switch distros or is it like installing windows again where everything is lost?

FabledAepitaph ,

It’s kinda like installing windows, but the process is way faster during the actual install, and the initial setup. The OS is much smaller and took maybe 20 minutes to install after I got my partitions set up properly. After Linux is booted up, every program I needed to get going was easily located in the built in software package downloader. I didn’t have to go to NVIDIA’s website to download drivers because they were already accessible from the built-in driver manager. Telegram, Steam, and whatever popular software you want is just a quick search away and a button click from being installed as a flatpak application. Firefox was already installed. It didn’t ask me to log in to a Microsoft account before I could move on to using my computer.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Wow so there’s open NVIDIA support for Linux Mint? That’s a big plus since I have a 3060

FabledAepitaph ,

From my understanding, there’s definitely driver support all the way around. I have a 1070 in my laptop, so it’s old enough that everything is probably about as developed and compatible as it can be. Theres an open source driver available, but most people say to simply stick with the proprietary Nvidia one, which is what I’ve done. The OS/driver manager should pick out the most stable and best tested release version for your system. I would guess all the distros can use the Nvidia drivers just fine, it’s just a matter of getting it installed one way or another, if the distro doesn’t have a driver manager. I’m just the newbie, so, I don’t have a lot of experience.

NOPper ,

Cyberpunk flat out is unplayable with an NVidia card right now, just FYI. They broke something with the 2.0 update.

citrusface ,

I just skip the loading vulkan stage and it works fine for me.

FabledAepitaph ,

Mmhmm. I’ve started doing this and it does work fine. I think I saw a comment once that noted they compile faster in-game anyways. So that makes me feel better about skipping lol

citrusface ,

Yeah that’s kinda what I figured- it just does it in the background!

Vulkan skip gang rise up.

nvrmind ,

Does it actually work that well? I’ve been waiting ages for halo shaders every time lmao

citrusface ,

Yeah - no different whatsoever - I’m pretty sure it just loads over time in the background once you start the game.

nvrmind ,

Oh. Thanks lol

namingthingsiseasy ,

+1 for indie games. I really think we’re living in the golden age of indie gaming with tools like Godot, Unreal, and Unity (yes, yes, I know, but Unity is probably still the most popular engine for now). As indies get empowered more and more by tools like this, and AAA studios get greedier and greedier, I can’t find any reason to play anything that isn’t from an indie game developer.

And most, nearly even all indie games work great on Linux, often even better than their Windows counterparts.

citrusface ,

Fantastic - made the jump a month ago. I don’t play FPS games. Those are the ones that have trouble running on Linux due to anti-cheast software, but the vast majority of my 600 steam games run with no issues it all - at sometimes running even better than on windows.

For example division 2 was sluggish on win11 on my Lenovo y540 (integrated GeForce whatever gaming laptop card) with 16gig of ram, now that I swapped over to Pop!_os - it doesn’t lag at all.

I mostly play single player games, but guild wars 2 2 and ff14 work great too if you are an MMO fan.

PoE works great if you want an ARPG to play.

Make the move and own your PC again.

Noxvento ,
@Noxvento@lemmy.world avatar

Can you play Games like World of Warcraft on Linux?

citrusface ,

You can yes, you can use Lutris and it will help you get that installed. GW2 and FF14 will both run with steam (proton)

Bo7a ,

I’ve played world of Warcraft on Linux for at least 8 years now.

nottheengineer ,

Great, I play a lot on it and the only game I had to use windows for so far was titanfall 2 because it kept stuttering on linux and troubleshooting stutter is hard.

thisbenzingring ,

In my experience, much of the studdering comes from the desktop environments. If you’re using Gnome, try KDE or one of the others. If it changes then it’s probably the Compositor settings. It’s a pain but once you find the right settings, oh yeah it’s great

nottheengineer ,

Thanks, I use KDE on X already (thank you nvidia) and find gnome’s design absolutely asinine, so I’ll try to fiddle around with the compositor settings.

captainlezbian ,

Mildly inconvenient at worst unless certain anti cheat software is being used. At best, you can run games on Linux that your machine may not be able to handle on windows because distros that use more resources than windows are rare. Steam on Linux has proton built into it and it just works once you set it to run through it. You might have gpu driver trouble with Nvidia but it’s a maybe issue that happens less and less.

I play Baldurs Gate 3 on it and it turned out the issues I thought might be linux related were hardware, when I fixed it it worked perfectly.

phoenixz ,

Not a gamer myself but from reading it used to be “this is a limited list of games that will work in Linux” and now it’s a “this is a limited list of games that will not work”, with a lot of thanks to valve, pop-os!, etc.

captain_aggravated ,

I have been a Linux gamer for the past 10 years. I haven’t booted into Windows to play a video game in 8.

When I started out, it was very much a question of “Here is the list of games that work on Linux.” You had to look for that Steam logo next to the Windows or sometimes Apple logo on the Steam page, and there are some games I would have played years earlier had that logo been there. With Proton, it has switched to “Here is a list of the games that don’t work on Linux.” Because most just do, with the very notable exception of competitive shooters, because something something anticheat.

I often hear that games actually run better on Linux than they do on Windows, except the newer whiz-bang features don’t work. Give a recent example, apparently Cyberpunk 2077 runs at a significantly higher framerate on Linux than Windows, but DLSS, HDR and RTX aren’t available.

Let me tell you the tales of two gamers on Linux:

My tale: I was disgusted with Windows 8.1, I had been learning some Linux because I wanted to use a Raspberry Pi with my ham radio stuff, so I went…why don’t I try switching? This was circa 2014. There was exactly one game in my Steam library that just could not be persuaded to run and that was Sleeping Dogs.

There have been a few games I’ve wanted to try that refused to run in some way or another; Heave Ho! by Devolver Digital…the demo ran fine, had a good time with it. Bought the game, and the UI on the player select screen didn’t work. Grow Up or Grow Home (one is a sequel to the other, I forget which it was) launched, but the character didn’t respond to any controls. Oh and Fallout: New Vegas launched one of those Windows-style autorun screens then asked me to put in the DVD. I bought it from Steam. And refunded it.

I generally avoid AAA games, I don’t play many online multiplayer games, I do play multiplayer games with friends, stuff like Stardew Valley or Unrailed, but I don’t go play with random people online, those just are not fun to me. I tend to prefer more indie stuff, more nerdy stuff, like I’ve got hundreds of hours in Factorio and Satisfactory, both work fine. I think it just so happens that I’m into games that are likely to be well supported on Linux. Antichamber, Firewatch, Hollow Knight, Return of the Obra Dinn, every Zachtronics game I’ve tried, Undertale, Subnautica, these all run great.

My cousin: had an aging Dell upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 on an “optane boosted” hard disk drive, starting to run pretty sluggish. Swapping out the hard disk and optane module for an SSD and attempting to install Win10 on bare metal just wouldn’t work, it kept throwing cryptic errors, so to get the machine to work at all I put Linux Mint on it.

She has more mainstream tastes than I do, lots of Bethesda and EA games. Funnily enough, I found that the third-party launchers were the real problem. The Sims 4 ran pretty well on Linux…Origin barely does. Minecraft support on Linux is actually worsening with time as a result of Microsoft’s involvement, but at least the Java edition does currently run.

In brief, I have observed a very stark inverse relationship between Linux compatibility of games, and the size/corporateness/evilness of the developer.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Luckily I don’t play multiplayer games online either. Losing DLSS is rough though

captain_aggravated ,

Owning a GTX-1080, I haven’t really noticed.

I’m not really worried about stuff like that because it’s a self-bootstrapping cycle. As more end users adopt Linux, more effort will be put into supporting it.

governorkeagan ,

Have you tried Red Dead Redemption 2? I’m looking at switching over to Linux soonish.

captain_aggravated ,

No I haven’t.

nvrmind ,
FallenGrove ,

With the release of the steam deck Linux gaming has gotten a lot better and more support since their steam OS is a branch of Debian. A lot of games now support Linux gaming more than before.

yoshipunk123456 ,

It’s Arch based now

neshura ,
@neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

Pretty great actually. Not as out of the box as on Windows but almost there. Firstly you get a vastly different experience depending on if you are using Steam. Since I have my entire library on Steam I can’t say anything about other stores. There’s imo 3 points where the experience still differs:

1 - you have to enable Proton as the default compatability tool, Valve has a guide for it and the setting is pretty straightforward to find.

2 - Most games just work now but a few don’t in those cases things like protondb.com are an enormous help.

3 - Mods are hit and miss (Steam Workshop works fine) depending on the game, for Cyberpunk for example I had to mess with the Proton Config a bit but there were guides for it. However since we are now in a niche of a niche (modding a game running proton) you’re likely to run into unexplored territory

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

SteamOS has been a big boon to the Linux gaming world.

luciferofastora ,

Between Steam’s Proton Compatibility Layer and Lutris, pretty damn fine.

HerrKai ,
@HerrKai@feddit.de avatar

As someone running a windows 10 update right now that I procrastinated to let install I am now having a bad day already. Can’t wait for this to happen to my pc!

HerrKai ,
@HerrKai@feddit.de avatar

Update: Exactly that happened, yay

BurnedDonutHole ,

Thank you for the update (-:

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

I just spent more than an hour fixing this shit, everyone was right. It forced search bar on LTSC also. Which I thought was against Windows 10 LTSC policies for Enterprise editions? Or at least, against it’s very core functions? lol

doctorcrimson ,

I was pissed a month ago when they installed cloud backup bloatware.

Can you imagine? Me giving them MY entire hard drive, for FREE?! And as part of the Windows Experience Package it cannot be uninstalled or disabled, all I can do is block with in the Firewall Rules.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

I debloated with a github script

github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

It’s sad that entire projects exist to making Windows not shit

mypasswordis1234 ,
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

The funniest thing is that people complain about Windows, but at the same time are afraid of switching to Linux. Linux has improved so much over the years that it is capable of doing most of the same things as Windows can do (and I don’t mean restoring the search bar every update)

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

My question is how is at running Adobe products now?

mypasswordis1234 , (edited )
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

Adobe doesn’t have a native support for Linux OSes, but you can try PlayOnLinux

Edit: There is also a winapps project that claims to support Microsoft Office and Adobe programs.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks

quams69 ,

I think for most people, including myself, it seems daunting. Especially since I’ve used this environment for close to thirty years. Additionally, I don’t have money to buy extra hardware to experiment with.

Halosheep ,

A dual boot setup doesn’t require any extra hardware. Hell, you can run some Linux distros directly from a USB drive if all you want to do is play with it and try to learn some things.

mypasswordis1234 ,
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

You took the words out of my mouth 😅

captain_aggravated ,

My switching to Linux felt a lot like the transition from Windows 95 to XP, or XP to 7. Linux Mint genuinely felt more familiar to me than Windows 8 did. You can try out Linux, learn about it, experiment with it, in VirtualBox. Install a Linux machine in a file right on your Windows machine. I think it’s wroth at least trying out.

Gabu ,

Software parity is still distant for Linux, that’s just a fact.

quantumbadger ,

Can I run Creative Cloud?

doctorcrimson ,

I think “afraid” is the wrong wording, it’s mostly about Time Saved vs Time Wasted, for a lot of industries it’s a lower cost for Windows at the moment but I think it’s about to shift especially when the Windows market in India and China finally topple.

Mr_nutter_butter ,
@Mr_nutter_butter@lemmy.world avatar

Why all my window machines use ltsc fucking “feature” updates

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

The enshittification of Windows continues apace.

FedFer ,

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  • FLX ,

    What else

    Honytawk ,

    You didn’t read that pop-up above the search bar asking if it should stay disabled or not?

    https://www.c-amie.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/windows-10-search-box-has-been-added.jpg

    Almost like Windows caters to the average user, who might have disabled the search bar accidentally and doesn’t know how to turn it back on …

    Moonrise2473 OP ,

    main issue is that it’s “i changed the setting and this is your only chance to cancel it”, dismissing this will agree to the change

    TvanBuuren ,

    OP doesn’t read Italian /s

    RealPuyo ,

    So it wasnt just me that got the bar renabled

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    If you hate Windows so much why are you still using it? At some point I can’t be sympathetic to those shooting themselves in the foot.

    Pyroglyph ,
    @Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

    Some software unfortunately requires it. Yes, Wine/Proton exists, but it doesn’t fix everything.

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    I know some do, but no one needs everything to work.

    Pyroglyph ,
    @Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, not everything needs to work. But everyone needs the things they want to work, if that makes sense. In other words: everyone has different requirements.

    I require SteamVR to run acceptably in order to play VR games on my main computer. I have yet to find a distro that satisfies this requirement, so I must use Windows since it is the only thing that works for that use case.
    Conversely, I do not require VR support on my laptop. Everything I want to do with my laptop can be done to an acceptable level with Linux, so I run Linux on my laptop. Simple.

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    I agree with your solution to have 2 computers, OP should do that as well.

    AustralianSimon ,
    @AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

    This has to be satire, no (most) corporate organisations that aren’t tech builds their applications for Linux first.

    To add to this you would also need to teach your entire human staff base how to Linux good luck.

    JasSmith ,

    Personally, as much as these little things annoy me, the big things just work. Games just work. My hardware just works. Updates just work. Software just works. I never, ever, ever have to open fucking terminal. That alone is worth all the bullshit in the world. I got into an argument the other day with someone who was chastising a Linux user for updating their distro without checking dependencies first. Like doing homework before an update is a normal thing everyone should be expected to do. It’s not, and until Linux figures this shit out, it’s going to stay niche in the consumer space.

    Just to be perfectly clear, I am rooting for Linux to succeed. I think our best chance at this stage is Valve. I suspect the use of immutable SteamOS will begin to creep into the desktop space. Developers will love it because they can build exactly one repo and call it a day. Users will love it because shit will “just work.” Yes, we lose some control, but no one will care because the biggest flaws will be gone.

    natryamar ,

    I’m waiting for that day to switch as well

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    You think I check for dependencies when I update? I just click a button that says update on my Nobara distro. Idk what you think Linux users do that is so much more difficult than Windows. All of my apps except for Tresorit was a click to download. This is easier than Windows’s “search for website, click download, run .setup, get the program”.

    JasSmith ,

    That’s great for you. Sadly it’s not everyone’s experience. I’ve broken plenty of things with updates, and I’m not even a heavy Linux user. you’ll find millions of Linux users making arguments like that I described above, blaming users for updates, all over the internet.

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    The same can be said for Windows but instead of breaking with wonky updates, it breaks because of constant bloatware that creeps in to a computer to slow it down to the point of being unusable.

    Everything has flaws so people have to adapt to those flaws or use something else. OP was complaining about the search bar being there, so since they don’t like it, they should go somewhere else. If they’re not going to do that, then adapt. Whining to a community that has a lot of Linux users is just asking for " just use Linux " comments.

    bitwolf ,

    I suspect the use of immutable SteamOS will begin to creep into the desktop space. Developers will love it because they can build exactly one repo and call it a day.

    Fedora Silverblue does this. It’s a cool experience where you primarily use flatpaks, or containers for legacy / dev work, it would work great on a phone.

    You can also fork the OS and customize the base installation and share it from a container registry. It would be awesome from the “I am my family’s IT support person” perspective.

    fne8w2ah ,

    The Kingdom of Torvalds beckons.

    RandomPancake ,

    I use Linux for my daily driver. It has really come a long way even in the last five years, but especially compared to 10-15 years ago. For the most part, stuff just works out of the box.

    My ONLY beef is that many of the games I play (Civ 5, Banished, Sins of a Solar Empire, Frostpunk) are not stable and/or have performance issues under Linux, so I occasionally need to boot into Windows. For example Civ 5 works great until around 20 turns in when the lag between turns grows unbearable. That really sucks in multiplayer.

    theonyltruemupf ,

    I am so blessed that all the games I want to play run great or at least fine on Linux. I wouldn’t want to have to go back to Windows.

    RandomPancake ,

    Yeah I just want to be clear – Linux has come a LONG way with gaming. If anyone tried it a few years ago and just gave up in frustration, give it another try now. It is MASSIVELY better.

    jayandp ,

    Me running ClassicShell/OpenShell since Windows 8:

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/719a1546-1619-4a90-8823-82dafcc04e8a.gif

    Koordinator_O ,
    @Koordinator_O@lemmy.world avatar

    Got the same message this morning. At least in the message is a button to roll back the unvoluntary change.

    TornMD ,

    Welcome to Windows update. Where they revert any settings you make to the OS that won’t benefit them.

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